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 Post subject: Re: Roxy Music schism - looking back
PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:34 am 
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UKRichard wrote:
I've never really thought of it before, but there's never been a BF album where the record company and the man himself hasn't lauded the stella lineup and great playing of the musicians but that was very rarely the case with Roxy. Maybe it's because Roxy were well established as a group and the core members at least were readily identifiable, whereas on his solo records pretty much everyone was a guest.

As for IYM, save for a brace of songs, I've always considered it a weak album and that extends to the production values. I remember reading at least once how much BF disliked the album himself. To me it sits neither comfortably alongside Siren, nor as the segway between BF's first two outings (plus the LST collection) and the vastly superior TBSB. It's pretty hard to say with conviction that IYM was a rip-roaring success and with the abject failure of TBSB, I'd argue we have the reformed Roxy - however much some may have disliked it - to thank for BF's subsequent longevity.


Fanatical Fandangoists,

The ever thoughtful UKRichard makes salient points. Albeit in the first paragraph W2 thinks he asks and answers his own question. Highlighting guest artists is just the difference between the protocols associated with group and solo efforts.

With regard to IYM, although it is the BF album that W2 plays less but when he does give it a spin, he finds its brashness refreshing and there are some gems. Particularly TIT, TJ & IYM.

UKRichard’s contention that the relative lack of commercial success of both IYM and the vastly superior TBSB led Bryan to retreat into ‘Roxy’ could be correct. At the end of the day, artists have to eat and in our hero’s case, eat well.

That said, BF’s musical journey continued unabated and the 3 ‘Roxy’ albums that followed were truly phenomenal culminating in the flawless ‘Avalon’. Surely one of the greatest albums of all time !

Salutations et tres bon unlock,

Windswept.


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 Post subject: Re: Roxy Music schism - looking back
PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:35 am 
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Mes amis!

This discussion once again shows that RM/BF church is broad & generous. Personally I am a fan of Bryan Ferry and his music while the other members have next to no interest to me as individuals. I have no strong desire to spread this opinion, though.
Mais oui, Avalon must be one of the best albums ever in the genre of pop music. If there is a weakness, it lies in its perfection. No need for a ninth symphony! That said, I prefer myself, at least these days, to listen to the trilogy, Bête Noir, Mamouna & Olympia. And to Bitter Sweet.
Bon été à tous!


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 Post subject: Re: Roxy Music schism - looking back
PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:27 pm 
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Oberon wrote:
Mais oui, Avalon must be one of the best albums ever in the genre of pop music. If there is a weakness, it lies in its perfection.


The perfection of Avalon is just right, and part of it`s strength. However, it`s not over-produced. I suspect we can thank Phil and Andy for that.


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 Post subject: Re: Roxy Music schism - looking back
PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:14 pm 
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Oberon wrote:
Mes amis!

This discussion once again shows that RM/BF church is broad & generous. Personally I am a fan of Bryan Ferry and his music while the other members have next to no interest to me as individuals. I have no strong desire to spread this opinion, though.
Mais oui, Avalon must be one of the best albums ever in the genre of pop music. If there is a weakness, it lies in its perfection. No need for a ninth symphony! That said, I prefer myself, at least these days, to listen to the trilogy, Bête Noir, Mamouna & Olympia. And to Bitter Sweet.
Bon été à tous!


Hipsters,
An interesting reflection from Oberon.
All is conjecture and this is pour quoi we need our hero’s official biography to clear things up.
Hopefully he has had his ghost writer ensconced in his Sussex visitors cottage and he has been hard at work on this pendant Le Lockdown !
Bon unlock a tous.
Windswept


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